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There was a Borgia boom in when, aiming to capitalize on the commercial success of The Tudorsthe television world realized there was one obvious way to Instant sex chat Dunchideock anyone the ante. Not one but two completely unrelated Borgia TV series were made in Many have run across the American Showtime series The Borgiasbut fewer people know about Borgiaalso Boorgia Borgia: I am watching both and enjoying both.

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This unique phenomenon, two TV series made in the same year, modeled on the same earlier series and treating the same Wige characters and events, is an amazing chance to look at different ways history can be used in fiction. I am not evaluating these shows for their historical accuracy.

I sympathize with the inability to ignore niggling errors, and I know any expert suffers from it, whether a physicist watching attempting-to-be-hard SF, or a doctor watching a medical show, or any sane person watching the Timeline movie. But over the years as my historical knowledge has increased so has srx recognition of just how hard it is to make a historically Wife looking real sex De Borgia show, and how often historical accuracy comes into conflict with entertainment.

More on that later. While I Wife looking real sex De Borgia both shows—both will pass the basic TV test of making lokoing enjoy yourself for the 50 minutes you spend in a chair watching them—the international series consistently succeeded in making the people and their behavior feel Lady companion wanted to drive to Nashville Tennessee period.

Here are two sample scenes that demonstrate what I mean:. Faith and Fear, episode 1. One of the heads of the Orsini family bursts into his bedroom and catches Juan Giovanni Borgia in flagrante with his wife.

Juan grabs his pants and flees Wife looking real sex De Borgia the window as quickly as he can. Now here is Orsini alone with his wife. He drops the fire poker on her corpse and walks briskly out of the room, leaving it for the servants to clean up.

That is the right thingbecause this is the Renaissanceand these people are terrible. When word gets out there is Beautiful ladies looking real sex Philadelphia Pennsylvania over a possible feud, but no one ever comments that Orsini killing his wife was anything but the appropriate course.

That is historicity, and the modern audience is left in genuine shock.

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The Borgias, Borgi 1. We are facing the papal election of Another Cardinal confronts Rodrigo Borgia in a hallway. It has just come out that Borgia has been committing simony, i. Our modern audience is shocked! Shocked, I say! That a candidate for the papacy would be corrupt and take bribes!

Our daring Cardinal geal Borgia, saying he too is shocked! This is no longer a matter of politics but principle! He will oppose Borgia with all his power, because Borgia is a bad person and should not sit on the Throne of St. See, audience! Now is the time to be shocked!

After the election this same Cardinal will be equally shocked that the Holy Father has a mistress, and bastards. Because that would be shocking inbut in this had been true of every pope for the past century.

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In fact, Cardinal Shocked-all-the-time, according to the writers you are supposed to be none other than Giuliano della Rovere.

You have a mistress! And a daughter! And a brothel! And an elephant! And take your elephant to your brothel! That is not historicity. It is applying some historical names to some made-up dudes and having them lecture us on why be should be shocked.

These are just two examples, but typify the two series. The Borgias toned it down: I think because they were afraid Wife looking real sex De Borgia alienating their audience with the sheer implausibility of what the Renaissance was actually like.

Almost all the Borga are taking bribes?

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Lots, possibly the majority of influential clerics in Rome overtly live with mistresses? E very single one of these people Borga committed homicide, or had goons do it? Wait, they all have goons?

Even the monks have goons? It feels exaggerated. Showtime toned it down to a level that matches what the typical modern imagination might expect.

Faith and Fear loooking not tone it down. Even in other details, Showtime kept letting modern Borgka leak in. And, for a broad part of the modern TV-watching audience, they may well be correct. This means that it is much harder to follow. There are many more characters, more members of every family, the complex family structures are there, the side-switching.

I had to pause two or three times an episode to explain to those watching with me who Giodobaldo da Montefeltro was, or whatever. They all hate each Wife looking real sex De Borgia.

The most feared is the Borgias. The audience needs to follow the politics, after all, and we can only take so much summary. The Borgia shows have even more complicated politics for us to choke down.

Ladies want hot sex De Borgia, ebony swingers wants nude couples flirting, adult lonely searching Relation Type: Seeking local mature women looking for sex Woman African, Asian, etc Housewives seeking real sex Pendleton Kentucky. Was I the only one hoping for more sex in The Borgias' two hour premiere? Yes, the new Showtime drama centers on Rodrigo Borgia (Jeremy. But how much of the scandalous reputation was true, and how much was sheer invention? . himself—that Lucrezia had sexual relations with her own father and brother. In Cesare married Charlotte d'Albret, daughter of the Duke of.

He may be the eldest of his full siblings, or second. The difference between Cesare as elder brother lookin Cesare as younger brother in the shows is fascinating.

Both Wife looking real sex De Borgia fascinating, utterly unrelated characters, and all the subsequent character dynamics are completely different too. I think both versions are very powerful, and the person they made out of the historical Cesare Wige different and original in each, and worth exploring. Lonely women in canton mi the writers get to decide how heavily to foreshadow the death, how to do the reveal, what character s to make the perpetrator ssdx what motives to stress.

I will not spoil what either series chose, but I will say that it lloking very challenging writing a murder when you know some audience members have radically different knowledge from others, and that I think Borgia: Faith and Fear used that fact brilliantly, and tapped the tropes of murder mystery very cleverly, when scripting the critical episode.

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The Borgias was less creative in its presentation. I said before that I am not evaluating these shows for their historical accuracy. Boegia ignoring history or changing it around does bother me sometimes, especially if lokking show is very Wife looking real sex De Borgia and ought to know better. The original orgies and bizarre sex were perfectly sufficient!

But in general I tend to be Local sex chat Robe patient with historically inacurate elements within WWife history shows, moreso than many non-historians I know, who are bothered by our acute modern anachronism-radar on the history of the senes of anachronism and its absence in pre-modern psychology, see Michael Wood: Forgery, Replica, Fiction.

For me, though, I have learned to relax and let it go. I remember the turning point moment. I answered: There are bits of period clothing whose functions are utter mysteries.

There are entire professions Wife looking real sex De Borgia used to exist that we now barely understand.

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rea No history is accurate, not even the very best we have. Envision a scene in which two Renaissance men are hanging out in a bar in Bologna with a prostitute.

The founder of the family's fortunes, Alfons de Borja () – who Portrait of a Woman by Bartolomeo Veneto, traditionally assumed to be by fifty “honest prostitutes” and involving eye-popping sexual athletics – is. Cosimo de Medici finds himself at the helm of his banking dynasty when his . His four children -Juan, the oldest, a prideful, lazy, unscrupulous sexual That said, he feels very out of place in this otherwise extremely authentic looking show . Lucrezia Borgia was a Spanish-Italian noblewoman of the House of Borgia who was the daughter of Pope Alexander VI and Vannozza dei . She then married Alfonso I d'Este, Duke of Ferrara, in early in Ferrara. The affair between Francesco and Lucrezia was passionate, more sexual than sentimental as can be.

But if I showed it to twenty Wife looking real sex De Borgia historians they would notice other things: So much we know.

But a person from the period would notice a thousand other things: All historical scenes are wrong, as wrong as a scene set now would be which had a classy couple go to a formal steakhouse with paper menus and an all-you-can-eat steak buffet.

All the details are right, but the mix is wrong. The audience would be constantly distracted by details like un-filmably dark building interiors, ugly missing teeth, infants being given broken-winged songbirds as disposable toys to play with, crush, and throw away, and Marie Antoinette relieving herself on the floor at Versailles.

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We cannot make Wife looking real sex De Borgia accurate movie of this — it will please no one. They focused just enough on this discomfort to make it the heart of a powerful and successful show, but there even an accurate depiction of attitudes from a few decades ago makes DDe the characters feel like scary aliens. Go back further and you will have complete incomprehensibility.

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Even Wife looking real sex De Borgia accuracy can be a communications problem, since modern viewers have certain associations that are hard to unlearn. Want to costume a princess to feel sweet and feminine? The modern eye demands pink or light Borgix, though the historian knows pale colors coded poverty. The audience needs the bodice and sleeves to expose the bits of her modern audiences lloking with sexy, regardless of which bits would plausibly have been exposed at the time.

I Wife looking real sex De Borgia had to costume some Vikings, and was lent a pair of extremely nice period Viking Wife looking real sex De Borgia which had bold white and orange stripes about two inches wide.

I know enough to realize how perfect they were, and that Horny women in Fair Haven, VT the expense of the dye and the purity of the white would mark them as the pants of an important man, but that if someone walked on stage in them the whole audience would think: I choose A.

Thus, rather than by accuracy, I judge this type of show by how successfully the creators of an historical piece have chosen wisely from what history offered lokking in order to make a good story.

If some characters are twisted a bit, made into heroes or villains to make the melodrama work, that too can be the right choice.